1 00:00:59,119 --> 00:00:56,510 okay here I am with agent Steven I need 2 00:01:01,520 --> 00:00:59,129 you Emlyn I'm fed up from hogging the 3 00:01:04,579 --> 00:01:01,530 limelight so I use my face okay here we 4 00:01:09,230 --> 00:01:04,589 go here we go we're just about to enter 5 00:01:12,830 --> 00:01:09,240 the premises today we've come to see mr. 6 00:01:16,340 --> 00:01:12,840 Kane was in Bishop stunt the night of 7 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:16,350 the 19th of January 1983 he saw what 8 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:18,810 appears to be a triangle going over the 9 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:23,610 lane of Sadie's Nocera between 8:00 and 10 00:01:52,540 --> 00:01:28,219 see you know any can tell us exactly 11 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:11,090 hi Steve Lawrence how are you doing so 12 00:02:16,730 --> 00:02:13,530 here we all became Austin is sitting 13 00:02:18,770 --> 00:02:16,740 where it all happened so Ken could you 14 00:02:21,140 --> 00:02:18,780 explain to us exactly what happened on 15 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:21,150 that night right it's okay 16 00:02:27,710 --> 00:02:24,330 I don't remember much about the day as 17 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:27,720 as I mentioned in the email that it was 18 00:02:34,190 --> 00:02:31,530 just an ordinary day nothing nothing 19 00:02:36,170 --> 00:02:34,200 eventful happened until after I put the 20 00:02:39,470 --> 00:02:36,180 children to bed and I'd come down to 21 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:39,480 watch television the TV on sat down 22 00:02:46,910 --> 00:02:43,050 there and within a matter of minutes the 23 00:02:49,010 --> 00:02:46,920 power went off no this was a fairly 24 00:02:51,590 --> 00:02:49,020 regular occurrence of here because at 25 00:02:53,630 --> 00:02:51,600 the time we had three phases open wires 26 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:53,640 and we used to blow back to the wind and 27 00:02:59,030 --> 00:02:57,090 short outs and obviously that was off 28 00:03:01,220 --> 00:02:59,040 for a while then but on this particular 29 00:03:04,910 --> 00:03:01,230 night there was no wind it was a clear 30 00:03:06,290 --> 00:03:04,920 night and the power went off so i did 31 00:03:08,750 --> 00:03:06,300 what i usually do under those 32 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:08,760 circumstances i used to get up not so 33 00:03:14,180 --> 00:03:11,130 the window to look at the houses over on 34 00:03:17,090 --> 00:03:14,190 old way to see whether they still had 35 00:03:19,729 --> 00:03:17,100 power on if they did it was just a 36 00:03:21,790 --> 00:03:19,739 problem in our lane but on this 37 00:03:25,340 --> 00:03:21,800 particular night they were off as well 38 00:03:27,949 --> 00:03:25,350 and whilst looking out to the window my 39 00:03:31,340 --> 00:03:27,959 attention was immediately drawn to three 40 00:03:32,110 --> 00:03:31,350 brilliant bluish white lights four in a 41 00:03:36,130 --> 00:03:32,120 triangle 42 00:03:40,420 --> 00:03:36,140 that was slowly moving overhead now I 43 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:40,430 knew that from some of the things that 44 00:03:44,770 --> 00:03:42,530 are agreed in the past that this was one 45 00:03:46,420 --> 00:03:44,780 of the famous black triangles and not 46 00:03:49,449 --> 00:03:46,430 that I could see it was solid all I 47 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:49,459 could see were the three lights so I 48 00:03:53,830 --> 00:03:51,890 didn't dare not take my eyes off it in 49 00:03:55,869 --> 00:03:53,840 case anything happened so I moved over 50 00:03:59,649 --> 00:03:55,879 to this end of the window opened the 51 00:04:02,710 --> 00:03:59,659 window frame and just listened and there 52 00:04:04,660 --> 00:04:02,720 was absolute silence now we're in a very 53 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:04,670 quiet lane where quote away from the 54 00:04:09,309 --> 00:04:07,370 road so we were used to not hearing 55 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:09,319 anything so if we go to the window could 56 00:04:15,130 --> 00:04:11,930 you point to the exact part the sky we 57 00:04:16,629 --> 00:04:15,140 saw yes okay so I was sitting there so I 58 00:04:20,140 --> 00:04:16,639 would have just walked up to the window 59 00:04:22,029 --> 00:04:20,150 to look the houses you can see across 60 00:04:25,150 --> 00:04:22,039 the village the other side of the road 61 00:04:28,150 --> 00:04:25,160 there over and over and normally they 62 00:04:30,159 --> 00:04:28,160 have got one or two lights on in there 63 00:04:33,129 --> 00:04:30,169 in their houses this which I can see 64 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:33,139 from here on that particular instance 65 00:04:39,250 --> 00:04:36,289 there was nothing visible and I was 66 00:04:42,550 --> 00:04:39,260 probably standing reasonably close to 67 00:04:47,469 --> 00:04:42,560 the window when I was my attention was 68 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:47,479 drawn up to that angle there so as I was 69 00:04:51,730 --> 00:04:49,330 standing here looking up to the window 70 00:04:52,180 --> 00:04:51,740 to see whether the lights are on over 71 00:04:55,620 --> 00:04:52,190 there 72 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:55,630 I noticed three bright white lights in a 73 00:05:01,779 --> 00:04:58,490 triangular formation that had just 74 00:05:06,129 --> 00:05:01,789 passed over the lane and the back to 75 00:05:07,890 --> 00:05:06,139 lights lined up accurately with the run 76 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:07,900 of our gathering 77 00:05:13,770 --> 00:05:10,210 which to me indicated that it was 78 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:13,780 crossing the lane at 90 degrees it just 79 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:16,570 carried on very very slowly over there 80 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:21,490 and I then moved to open the window so 81 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:29,650 have a listen and even now you can hear 82 00:05:36,140 --> 00:05:33,490 that is virtually no sound at all so I 83 00:05:39,810 --> 00:05:36,150 watched it from here for a while until 84 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:39,820 it passed over the trees over there and 85 00:05:43,170 --> 00:05:41,770 then God's finger and fainter and 86 00:05:46,890 --> 00:05:43,180 fainter as it disappeared in the 87 00:05:50,220 --> 00:05:46,900 distance over to West cross ultimately 88 00:05:52,290 --> 00:05:50,230 out over Swansea they presumably okay so 89 00:05:56,490 --> 00:05:52,300 this would mean a west to easterly 90 00:05:58,740 --> 00:05:56,500 direction a west taste well you say 91 00:06:00,120 --> 00:05:58,750 those lights on it how great were the 92 00:06:01,980 --> 00:06:00,130 whites and I mean looking at the Jets 93 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:01,990 and you just mentioned before to us I 94 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:03,090 think that there was 95 00:06:14,070 --> 00:06:09,930 you see Jets come across the Jets have 96 00:06:19,740 --> 00:06:14,080 strobe lights on them which exactly 97 00:06:25,230 --> 00:06:19,750 these lights I would estimate but as 98 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:25,240 bright as Venus or the space station 99 00:06:29,220 --> 00:06:26,650 going over okay in about the same time 100 00:06:31,890 --> 00:06:29,230 but the same size it you could see it 101 00:06:33,990 --> 00:06:31,900 wasn't a spotted light it was it 102 00:06:35,550 --> 00:06:34,000 actually had a physical shape but you 103 00:06:40,950 --> 00:06:35,560 know they need to be run I know it's 104 00:06:43,380 --> 00:06:40,960 difficult it's very difficult without 105 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:43,390 any cross reference to see even if 106 00:06:47,010 --> 00:06:45,370 anybody asks it's Signet we you know we 107 00:06:49,140 --> 00:06:47,020 would have been able to say that you 108 00:06:50,820 --> 00:06:49,150 know taking sort of triangulation from 109 00:06:52,890 --> 00:06:50,830 different areas we could have worked 110 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:52,900 over the how to proceed morning but I 111 00:06:56,879 --> 00:06:55,810 would say that going from the angle and 112 00:06:59,459 --> 00:06:56,889 the speed at which 113 00:07:04,050 --> 00:06:59,469 travelled across there initially I 114 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:04,060 thought it would have to be at sort of 115 00:07:09,869 --> 00:07:07,930 commercial airline height because it was 116 00:07:12,570 --> 00:07:09,879 going above the speed that a plane would 117 00:07:14,700 --> 00:07:12,580 be going but then thinking about it if 118 00:07:17,459 --> 00:07:14,710 that was at the same height as a 119 00:07:20,189 --> 00:07:17,469 commercial flight the the lights on it 120 00:07:25,019 --> 00:07:20,199 would have been brilliantly bright and 121 00:07:26,249 --> 00:07:25,029 very large and that that was based 122 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:26,259 purely on the speed that it was 123 00:07:31,850 --> 00:07:29,289 traveling now then considering that 124 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:31,860 commercial flights go over at about 125 00:07:38,999 --> 00:07:37,210 35,000 feet I'm really reasonably 126 00:07:42,869 --> 00:07:39,009 certain that this was no way anywhere 127 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:42,879 much higher than possibly 500 2,000 feet 128 00:07:47,189 --> 00:07:44,409 you couldn't physically make any sort of 129 00:07:49,019 --> 00:07:47,199 physical form of it no nothing at all it 130 00:07:50,939 --> 00:07:49,029 is exactly the same color is the 131 00:07:53,070 --> 00:07:50,949 backroom sky it would definitely say it 132 00:07:54,779 --> 00:07:53,080 was one object wait see what it seemed 133 00:07:57,689 --> 00:07:54,789 even one option on three lights they 134 00:08:00,719 --> 00:07:57,699 didn't vary in distance apart at all 135 00:08:03,779 --> 00:08:00,729 they maintained the formation as they 136 00:08:05,999 --> 00:08:03,789 went yes it was the race at the time but 137 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:06,009 what people were seeing a lot that night 138 00:08:09,899 --> 00:08:09,370 were planes mean wreaths fair Walton in 139 00:08:11,490 --> 00:08:09,909 flight 140 00:08:14,999 --> 00:08:11,500 do you think there's a possibility of 141 00:08:17,399 --> 00:08:15,009 that I don't think so if if those were 142 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:17,409 three commercial or three military 143 00:08:22,409 --> 00:08:19,210 planes eaten 144 00:08:24,149 --> 00:08:22,419 I reckon that if they were at that sort 145 00:08:26,909 --> 00:08:24,159 of height 35,000 feet they'd have been 146 00:08:29,309 --> 00:08:26,919 well by the part so there's no way there 147 00:08:31,860 --> 00:08:29,319 could be refueling at that very distance 148 00:08:34,319 --> 00:08:31,870 and they made no attempt to move 149 00:08:37,380 --> 00:08:34,329 together which was what made me think 150 00:08:40,319 --> 00:08:37,390 that it was a solid object which I 151 00:08:42,329 --> 00:08:40,329 couldn't see I was desperately hoping I 152 00:08:44,340 --> 00:08:42,339 could see something the distance apart 153 00:08:46,620 --> 00:08:44,350 that the lights were if it had been very 154 00:08:49,170 --> 00:08:46,630 high up in the sky it would have been 155 00:08:51,540 --> 00:08:49,180 what size it would have been a mile by 156 00:08:52,889 --> 00:08:51,550 mile I reckon so that maybe was a bit 157 00:08:55,190 --> 00:08:52,899 lower it was quite a bit lower 158 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:55,200 I'm convinced it was a 159 00:09:00,260 --> 00:08:57,450 quite a quite a lot lower than that and 160 00:09:02,390 --> 00:09:00,270 moving probably nothing more than about 161 00:09:05,030 --> 00:09:02,400 30 to 40 miles an hour to bring you 162 00:09:06,140 --> 00:09:05,040 silently completely silent yeah and then 163 00:09:08,270 --> 00:09:06,150 you observed it until it just 164 00:09:10,310 --> 00:09:08,280 disappeared out of view it disappeared 165 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:10,320 out of you didn't do anything else it 166 00:09:14,780 --> 00:09:13,110 just flew in a dead straight line and it 167 00:09:17,210 --> 00:09:14,790 obviously got smaller and smaller and 168 00:09:19,250 --> 00:09:17,220 smaller the let's maintain their 169 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:19,260 relative positions as they went across 170 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:22,290 the field and it just disappeared behind 171 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:27,000 the trees eventually it seemed like I 172 00:09:37,220 --> 00:09:31,050 was but it was your heart in your chest 173 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:37,230 oh yes yeah yeah because I'd been a fan 174 00:09:43,790 --> 00:09:41,610 of sci-fi for years I think it was not 175 00:09:45,710 --> 00:09:43,800 long after Close Encounters of the Third 176 00:09:47,390 --> 00:09:45,720 Kind do you think that affected your 177 00:09:49,970 --> 00:09:47,400 judgment or do you think there was this 178 00:09:51,830 --> 00:09:49,980 a crystal clear you know it was crystal 179 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:51,840 clear I I think I said in my email 180 00:09:58,760 --> 00:09:53,970 earlier that with my background as an 181 00:10:03,160 --> 00:09:58,770 engineer I am sort of trained to think 182 00:10:05,780 --> 00:10:03,170 logically and not put any any sort of 183 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:05,790 intonation or anything in the way I say 184 00:10:10,490 --> 00:10:08,610 things I don't I don't want to indicate 185 00:10:12,410 --> 00:10:10,500 that it was anything other than what I 186 00:10:15,170 --> 00:10:12,420 saw it didn't do anything it just yeah 187 00:10:17,540 --> 00:10:15,180 move slowly across the sky there were no 188 00:10:19,460 --> 00:10:17,550 laser beams in or flashing on and that's 189 00:10:21,500 --> 00:10:19,470 no flashing lights nothing at all 190 00:10:24,380 --> 00:10:21,510 how long was it between the time the 191 00:10:26,870 --> 00:10:24,390 electricity failed when you actually 192 00:10:34,870 --> 00:10:26,880 noticed as long as it took me to get up 193 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:37,500 electricity coming back on 194 00:10:42,870 --> 00:10:40,510 huh it was probably about half an hour 195 00:10:44,310 --> 00:10:42,880 later everything because I think when 196 00:10:46,530 --> 00:10:44,320 the Alpha City goes off they died the 197 00:10:48,780 --> 00:10:46,540 hack they have either have to get a man 198 00:10:50,820 --> 00:10:48,790 out to the local substation to reset the 199 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:50,830 circuit breaker more possibly they may 200 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:52,210 have been able to do a dream in early 201 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:54,370 another important point in the paper the 202 00:10:59,910 --> 00:10:57,490 following day the cause of the power 203 00:11:02,270 --> 00:10:59,920 failure the power company said it was 204 00:11:05,190 --> 00:11:02,280 probably caused by a branch of a tree 205 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:05,200 coming down in strong wind and knocking 206 00:11:15,300 --> 00:11:07,510 out the power on the father Lambert was 207 00:11:18,630 --> 00:11:15,310 there any wind so I I was beginning to 208 00:11:21,060 --> 00:11:18,640 wonder haven't seen the report and even 209 00:11:23,130 --> 00:11:21,070 post the following night whether what 210 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:23,140 I'd seen was something completely 211 00:11:28,260 --> 00:11:24,730 different from what everybody else had 212 00:11:30,630 --> 00:11:28,270 seen to the best of my knowledge I have 213 00:11:32,430 --> 00:11:30,640 not met or heard of anybody else who 214 00:11:36,660 --> 00:11:32,440 observed this particular one going over 215 00:11:40,380 --> 00:11:36,670 bishops then and I don't know whether it 216 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:40,390 came in over pan out or kettle and then 217 00:11:46,950 --> 00:11:43,690 headed out all the way across but we 218 00:11:49,290 --> 00:11:46,960 have plotted from witness statements and 219 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:49,300 reports that there were dozens of 220 00:11:53,670 --> 00:11:51,490 reports going off triangles going all 221 00:11:58,140 --> 00:11:53,680 directions around Swansea mm-hmm 222 00:12:00,270 --> 00:11:58,150 actually go up the tunnel but yeah so 223 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:00,280 it's sometimes at the same time so 224 00:12:02,430 --> 00:12:01,810 there's it looks like there were several 225 00:12:04,830 --> 00:12:02,440 objects 226 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:04,840 yeah doing different things doing two 227 00:12:08,550 --> 00:12:06,570 different directions at the same time 228 00:12:12,630 --> 00:12:08,560 can we talk down to that particular 229 00:12:14,010 --> 00:12:12,640 night turn Oh only on the basis of what 230 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:14,020 appeared in the Evening Post the 231 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:16,210 following day right because I remember 232 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:17,290 going into work and telling my 233 00:12:23,250 --> 00:12:19,330 colleagues that I had seen something in 234 00:12:27,180 --> 00:12:23,260 the sky the night before oh yes ridicule 235 00:12:28,790 --> 00:12:27,190 critical yes yeah and I told them of the 236 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:28,800 power failure 237 00:12:32,540 --> 00:12:30,930 that meant anything to anybody else it 238 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:32,550 was reported in the paper so yeah that's 239 00:12:38,829 --> 00:12:35,490 he's yeah absolute I don't know that I I 240 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:38,839 was aware that there is a link between 241 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:42,930 power outages and American UFO was being 242 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:46,649 observed so I thought this was going to 243 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:49,290 be my my sort of X Phi involvement but 244 00:12:54,050 --> 00:12:51,810 it was just rather boring everything did 245 00:12:57,910 --> 00:12:54,060 it just carried on 22 years ago although 246 00:13:02,180 --> 00:12:57,920 yeah so how long did they mercilessly 247 00:13:04,310 --> 00:13:02,190 2014 work they just roped it off because 248 00:13:07,430 --> 00:13:04,320 they they haven't seen even posts to 249 00:13:11,030 --> 00:13:07,440 that point yes so because it was first 250 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:11,040 thing the following morning but I think 251 00:13:15,290 --> 00:13:13,050 I think there was a little bit more 252 00:13:17,569 --> 00:13:15,300 leeway once once the evenin post has 253 00:13:19,490 --> 00:13:17,579 been seen and that I wasn't the only one 254 00:13:21,170 --> 00:13:19,500 to see that and you're lucky then 255 00:13:23,210 --> 00:13:21,180 because you should see some of them me 256 00:13:25,579 --> 00:13:23,220 and the fellas that I talk to it's just 257 00:13:29,930 --> 00:13:25,589 like you know the skepticism is is 258 00:13:32,210 --> 00:13:29,940 breathtaking right and oh you've never 259 00:13:36,769 --> 00:13:32,220 seen anything since nothing one other 260 00:13:40,130 --> 00:13:36,779 one off yeah and I I did say in in my 261 00:13:43,579 --> 00:13:40,140 email that I've been watching the sky 262 00:13:46,460 --> 00:13:43,589 since I was about 11 and I desperately 263 00:13:48,710 --> 00:13:46,470 wanted to see a UFO you know I was 264 00:13:52,819 --> 00:13:48,720 interested in astronomy you know I could 265 00:13:55,850 --> 00:13:52,829 spot some of the constellations so I was 266 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:55,860 used to looking at the sky and shooting 267 00:14:02,329 --> 00:13:58,170 stars and what those were I've seen a 268 00:14:07,300 --> 00:14:02,339 comment I've seen the space station go 269 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:07,310 over now if we had three space stations 270 00:14:14,150 --> 00:14:11,370 flying over in a formation that would be 271 00:14:16,220 --> 00:14:14,160 roughly what I saw because the speed at 272 00:14:18,590 --> 00:14:16,230 which the space station goes over the 273 00:14:21,710 --> 00:14:18,600 speed at which planes go over and it was 274 00:14:23,780 --> 00:14:21,720 the same sort of relative speed to what 275 00:14:26,060 --> 00:14:23,790 that seemed to be doing and obviously 276 00:14:27,350 --> 00:14:26,070 the this I think was probably less than 277 00:14:29,490 --> 00:14:27,360 a thousand feet up 278 00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:29,500 planes are 35 279 00:14:34,950 --> 00:14:32,710 on the Space Station's about 220 miles 280 00:14:37,260 --> 00:14:34,960 I'm doing 70 and a half thousand miles 281 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:37,270 an hour or that ones so you can see that 282 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:38,770 obviously the higher there are people 283 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:40,810 already appearing to be going up at the 284 00:14:46,290 --> 00:14:44,650 same speed because of the the angle that 285 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:46,300 you lock into things and the fact that 286 00:14:49,290 --> 00:14:47,410 they're further away and they're 287 00:14:51,570 --> 00:14:49,300 traveling faster they end up looking 288 00:14:54,420 --> 00:14:51,580 this to be traveling the same sort of 289 00:14:56,430 --> 00:14:54,430 speed which was why I was misled 290 00:14:59,970 --> 00:14:56,440 initially when I saw it to think that it 291 00:15:02,670 --> 00:14:59,980 was a commercial aircraft height because 292 00:15:05,730 --> 00:15:02,680 I thought whatever those things are they 293 00:15:10,140 --> 00:15:05,740 they can't be as low as they love to be 294 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:10,150 but I think they were so it was it 295 00:15:16,830 --> 00:15:12,970 seemed to be that it was a heavier than 296 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:16,840 air craft but which was just traveling 297 00:15:26,390 --> 00:15:24,370 at possibly 30 to 40 miles an hour no 298 00:15:28,650 --> 00:15:26,400 there was no house next door at the time 299 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:28,660 there was normally delivered next door 300 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:30,490 so should I shouldn't have seen anything 301 00:15:37,230 --> 00:15:31,570 anyway 302 00:15:39,030 --> 00:15:37,240 but it was if the power hadn't gone off 303 00:15:39,870 --> 00:15:39,040 I wouldn't have seen it because I 304 00:15:41,970 --> 00:15:39,880 wouldn't have been looking out the 305 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:41,980 window for it right exactly 306 00:15:47,250 --> 00:15:45,130 at the time we because we had got an 307 00:15:49,740 --> 00:15:47,260 overhead power feed here we've got a 308 00:15:52,770 --> 00:15:49,750 circuit breaker on the incoming mains 309 00:15:54,930 --> 00:15:52,780 and lightning would tripped I felt as 310 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:54,940 well but we hear that got crap because 311 00:15:58,920 --> 00:15:57,490 is a mechanical breaker search so if 312 00:16:00,750 --> 00:15:58,930 there was lightning and it went off 313 00:16:02,580 --> 00:16:00,760 you'd hear the crack so I've got reset 314 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:02,590 it and everything would be fine but 315 00:16:07,650 --> 00:16:04,570 don't this physical a night it was just 316 00:16:10,380 --> 00:16:07,660 a power cut there was no nothing to 317 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:10,390 account for it other than what I saw it 318 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:12,490 at the window after otherwise was it's 319 00:16:21,270 --> 00:16:16,690 clear he does quickly clear scene starts 320 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:21,280 yeah I was hoping that this object would 321 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:24,370 fly underneath a star and block it out 322 00:16:29,970 --> 00:16:26,890 so that I could then determine that it 323 00:16:31,230 --> 00:16:29,980 was a solid object but unfortunately 324 00:16:35,730 --> 00:16:31,240 didn't and of course the further away 325 00:16:39,010 --> 00:16:37,870 well first we're getting in touch with 326 00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:39,020 us my pleasure 327 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:42,560 little piece of the jigsaw yeah Thank 328 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:45,050 You ppreciate it thank you thank you 329 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:45,650 later 330 00:16:50,430 --> 00:16:48,170 salmon said it's a piece of a jigsaw has 331 00:16:53,050 --> 00:16:50,440 been so many reports of these triangles 332 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:53,060 we're trying to get to trace as many 333 00:16:58,390 --> 00:16:54,890 people as we can so we appreciate you 334 00:17:01,360 --> 00:16:58,400 coming forward it's good well it is at 335 00:17:03,550 --> 00:17:01,370 the time because there were so many 336 00:17:05,850 --> 00:17:03,560 conflicting reports that evening post 337 00:17:09,090 --> 00:17:05,860 they thought well it's gone now it's 338 00:17:12,939 --> 00:17:09,100 reported - I don't had no idea and 339 00:17:14,829 --> 00:17:12,949 because mine was markedly different to 340 00:17:17,410 --> 00:17:14,839 what other people reporting I thought 341 00:17:19,540 --> 00:17:17,420 well then perhaps I didn't see what I 342 00:17:22,900 --> 00:17:19,550 thought they saw but I convinced it I 343 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:22,910 you said your wife was up to them yeah 344 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:25,610 yeah so you didn't share it with anybody 345 00:17:29,860 --> 00:17:27,890 no witnesses at all no other than me 346 00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:29,870 What did he say - when she got on well I 347 00:17:34,540 --> 00:17:32,510 told her and I don't think she believed 348 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:34,550 me either and with the passage of time 349 00:17:44,190 --> 00:17:36,170 she's completely forgotten that I ever 350 00:17:47,260 --> 00:17:44,200 said it no how long do you know 68 no no 351 00:17:52,660 --> 00:17:47,270 it's 34 did you find for all time 352 00:17:58,270 --> 00:17:52,670 yeah so I had all my faculties that I've 353 00:17:59,920 --> 00:17:58,280 been drinking no I think I just brought 354 00:18:01,270 --> 00:17:59,930 the children debates but they've got 355 00:18:03,130 --> 00:18:01,280 NORAD connection we're doing that 356 00:18:06,250 --> 00:18:03,140 because it was something that you do on 357 00:18:08,350 --> 00:18:06,260 a regular basis and it wasn't until the 358 00:18:12,100 --> 00:18:08,360 power went off the myth made the Knights 359 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:12,110 at all remarkable but it was a 360 00:18:17,980 --> 00:18:15,650 remarkable like it was yeah and you 361 00:18:20,110 --> 00:18:17,990 haven't had any reports from anywhere 362 00:18:21,790 --> 00:18:20,120 jeonggi our that might have seen the 363 00:18:23,290 --> 00:18:21,800 same sort of thing that night not on 364 00:18:24,850 --> 00:18:23,300 that night not reviewed we want lots of 365 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:24,860 thoughts from the kettle and Bishop 366 00:18:29,020 --> 00:18:26,690 stone area oh yeah different things 367 00:18:30,850 --> 00:18:29,030 different lights man I feel very very so 368 00:18:36,580 --> 00:18:30,860 the parts of swansea Morriston sketti 369 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:36,590 things yeah was there any feelings of 370 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:38,090 constantly issue at the time you know 371 00:18:42,010 --> 00:18:40,610 did you earn was it kind of like not 372 00:18:43,630 --> 00:18:42,020 going to sleep till three o'clock in the 373 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:43,640 morning or was it did it clean your mind 374 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:45,530 oh oh yes it would have played in my 375 00:18:51,370 --> 00:18:48,590 mind because as I said it was not long 376 00:18:55,210 --> 00:18:51,380 after closely covers that I needed come 377 00:18:57,340 --> 00:18:55,220 out so I was fully expecting I liked 378 00:19:00,460 --> 00:18:57,350 show at some point from this but it 379 00:19:04,570 --> 00:19:00,470 never happened it was it was just three 380 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:04,580 nights with with no discernible body to 381 00:19:09,100 --> 00:19:06,410 it and they they just went in a straight 382 00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:09,110 line across the sky but because of the 383 00:19:14,490 --> 00:19:11,510 speed they were moving I'm convinced 384 00:19:16,299 --> 00:19:14,500 they were they were relatively low 385 00:19:19,150 --> 00:19:16,309 though we really appreciate you coming 386 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:19,160 for because it's it's probably spongy's 387 00:19:22,450 --> 00:19:21,050 mass sighting as well there's only one 388 00:19:25,150 --> 00:19:22,460 other thing and then as far as you know 389 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:25,160 certain mass thank you let me know of it 390 00:19:32,049 --> 00:19:27,530 yeah it's like our Phoenix lights in the 391 00:19:33,910 --> 00:19:32,059 way if I could carry on going I reckon 392 00:19:37,299 --> 00:19:33,920 it would have gone out over West cross 393 00:19:40,180 --> 00:19:37,309 and up to Swansea day a man was plus 394 00:19:44,110 --> 00:19:40,190 Albert was headed but because you can't 395 00:19:46,570 --> 00:19:44,120 actually be accurate about which handle 396 00:19:47,770 --> 00:19:46,580 it went I think it might have gone over 397 00:19:52,270 --> 00:19:47,780 to what Swansea docks 398 00:19:54,250 --> 00:19:52,280 if it hadn't changed course but but it 399 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:54,260 appears that nobody has saw what I saw 400 00:19:58,450 --> 00:19:55,730 that night 401 00:20:00,340 --> 00:19:58,460 killed by Hill yeah yeah what I'm going 402 00:20:03,610 --> 00:20:00,350 to do it has been log in the directions 403 00:20:05,950 --> 00:20:03,620 of all the sightings to see ya correlate 404 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:05,960 with each other yeah see there's been 405 00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:07,330 several sightings into 406 00:20:12,090 --> 00:20:09,280 positions over Swansea on the same night 407 00:20:13,850 --> 00:20:12,100 around the same time yeah so it looks 408 00:20:17,370 --> 00:20:13,860 like there was more than one object 409 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:17,380 observed so I was interested in to see 410 00:20:22,290 --> 00:20:19,330 if we can sort of plot them and see what 411 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:22,300 were actually measuring yeah I've got a 412 00:20:28,380 --> 00:20:24,850 vague recollection that in the Evening 413 00:20:33,060 --> 00:20:28,390 Post at the time there was a mention of 414 00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:33,070 a 14 year old boy in the ship Stone who 415 00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:38,080 was logging UFO reports on the in the 416 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:39,760 late nineties yeah yeah 417 00:20:45,570 --> 00:20:42,910 Neil spring all right okay so you 418 00:20:47,460 --> 00:20:45,580 obviously know of him then yeah he's 419 00:20:50,130 --> 00:20:47,470 been in the press again recently so he's 420 00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:50,140 writing fiction though right 421 00:20:55,980 --> 00:20:52,240 as soon as called the Watchers which has 422 00:20:57,660 --> 00:20:55,990 been made for TV no Scott right okay but 423 00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:57,670 at the time yeah he was he was doing 424 00:21:04,650 --> 00:21:00,880 quite a lot of research hmm I had no 425 00:21:07,620 --> 00:21:04,660 idea when or where he was so I didn't 426 00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:07,630 come didn't try and contact into to be 427 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:10,960 poor today so because I as I say I was a 428 00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:15,850 little bit concerned that what I had 429 00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:17,440 seen being so different from what 430 00:21:21,210 --> 00:21:19,510 everybody else it seemed that I might 431 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:21,220 have been believed so I thought I'll 432 00:21:28,290 --> 00:21:32,120 was going to y'all 433 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:36,860 because of my background with astronomy 434 00:21:43,460 --> 00:21:40,049 and interesting sci-fi yeah as soon as I 435 00:21:48,830 --> 00:21:43,470 saw three lights and a triangle I knew 436 00:21:50,450 --> 00:21:48,840 what it was and I was there were all 437 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:50,460 sorts of things going through my mind am 438 00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:52,110 I going to be abducted was one of them 439 00:21:59,180 --> 00:21:56,400 yeah really yeah because because I'd 440 00:22:01,850 --> 00:21:59,190 open the window I was knocking straight 441 00:22:04,279 --> 00:22:01,860 up at it it crossed my mind this is Lisa 442 00:22:06,649 --> 00:22:04,289 being gonna come down and whisk me off 443 00:22:10,460 --> 00:22:06,659 somewhere but nothing like that happened 444 00:22:12,620 --> 00:22:10,470 at all it's it is just through over and 445 00:22:13,970 --> 00:22:12,630 there was nothing really to report about 446 00:22:18,049 --> 00:22:13,980 it only the fact that it was a 447 00:22:20,210 --> 00:22:18,059 triangular shape it also occurred to me 448 00:22:21,260 --> 00:22:20,220 whether it might have been some secret 449 00:22:23,570 --> 00:22:21,270 military craft 450 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:23,580 you know but they were testing but I 451 00:22:28,220 --> 00:22:25,890 thought why would they duel out over 452 00:22:30,409 --> 00:22:28,230 Bishop's turn on a winter's night which 453 00:22:31,940 --> 00:22:30,419 was clear you know they loved it that 454 00:22:34,190 --> 00:22:31,950 same it didn't make any sense at all 455 00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,200 even though there's there were US 456 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:37,440 military Danny Brody at the time but in 457 00:22:47,539 --> 00:22:45,570 Pembrokeshire come back I'm making a 458 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:47,549 hundred calls for this again I'm waking 459 00:22:52,010 --> 00:22:48,450 up to worry again 460 00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,020 it was it was it around as IAT I I don't 461 00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:54,960 think I had any real anxiety about 462 00:23:01,010 --> 00:22:58,559 anything coming back because I watched 463 00:23:03,649 --> 00:23:01,020 it until I could no longer see it it 464 00:23:05,630 --> 00:23:03,659 disappeared in the distance yeah and it 465 00:23:08,510 --> 00:23:05,640 didn't it didn't fly off it didn't do 466 00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:08,520 any aerobatic or impossible maneuvers or 467 00:23:14,570 --> 00:23:12,960 anywhere and having seen it from just in 468 00:23:16,669 --> 00:23:14,580 front of the house and disappear in the 469 00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:16,679 distance I thought right that's it 470 00:23:23,149 --> 00:23:20,820 that's over and I mean for a few nights 471 00:23:26,269 --> 00:23:23,159 I was I was looking up to the window to 472 00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:26,279 see if anything else was about it gave 473 00:23:30,690 --> 00:23:28,710 up after a while because in the last 30 474 00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:30,700 odd years I've not seen 475 00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:33,440 I asked this question before was it 476 00:23:36,370 --> 00:23:35,360 every Union to sort of know like a few 477 00:23:38,380 --> 00:23:36,380 years down the lane 478 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:38,390 I wish I could see Malone you know 479 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:40,970 almost like boom in yes 480 00:23:46,180 --> 00:23:44,090 yeah yet to confer because because I 481 00:23:48,330 --> 00:23:46,190 felt that I was possibly the only one to 482 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:48,340 see it because of the power cut yeah 483 00:23:53,890 --> 00:23:52,130 that I I was rather hoping that I could 484 00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,900 see something asked me maybe maybe 485 00:24:03,840 --> 00:23:56,080 something completely different so it's 486 00:24:06,580 --> 00:24:03,850 just just to see it once in 60 odd years 487 00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:06,590 you've you've got no chance to you know 488 00:24:12,610 --> 00:24:09,440 to confirm that anybody else saw it or 489 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:12,620 what it was that you saw so it'll 490 00:24:18,610 --> 00:24:14,450 forever remain a mystery it sounds like 491 00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,620 he said but what I'm glad experience 492 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:21,200 what do you deep down feelings you know 493 00:24:25,660 --> 00:24:23,570 you deep down inside that he would 494 00:24:28,890 --> 00:24:25,670 rather do you really think that that was 495 00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:28,900 real well I'm convinced it is real 496 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:33,200 I've seen some reports on the internet 497 00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:38,690 that the three three worked in a track 498 00:24:46,450 --> 00:24:42,080 configuration is an atmospheric 499 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:46,460 condition and I thought well they were 500 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:50,210 all perfectly aligned on the corners of 501 00:24:53,890 --> 00:24:51,890 a triangle yeah but that fee was just 502 00:24:56,140 --> 00:24:53,900 recently came up yeah it didn't they 503 00:24:59,500 --> 00:24:56,150 didn't move it they didn't fluctuate at 504 00:25:02,470 --> 00:24:59,510 all they're a constant white light but 505 00:25:05,410 --> 00:25:02,480 again a bluish white light and the thing 506 00:25:08,410 --> 00:25:05,420 was that it wasn't a downward facing 507 00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:08,420 spotlight because as it disappeared into 508 00:25:13,390 --> 00:25:11,120 the distance I could still see them so 509 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:13,400 so think it'll be another manual it was 510 00:25:21,130 --> 00:25:16,970 well I think it might have been a sort 511 00:25:23,170 --> 00:25:21,140 of semi surplus variable light on on the 512 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:23,180 bottom of the craft so that it was 513 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:25,490 visible from directly underneath and 514 00:25:32,170 --> 00:25:27,890 from behind as they disappeared while 515 00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:32,180 because the the three lights went off 516 00:25:38,590 --> 00:25:36,710 into the distance and even just before 517 00:25:40,090 --> 00:25:38,600 it disappeared it still didn't block 518 00:25:42,220 --> 00:25:40,100 like stars you could still see the 519 00:25:44,860 --> 00:25:42,230 strange see the three well as if he was 520 00:25:46,990 --> 00:25:44,870 a flat triangle hmm you'd see it close 521 00:25:48,910 --> 00:25:47,000 up yeah throw underneath sauce and 522 00:25:51,010 --> 00:25:48,920 Susannah three but as it goes often the 523 00:25:56,410 --> 00:25:51,020 dis done stuff I never [\h__\h] didn't 524 00:26:00,550 --> 00:25:56,420 flatten flatten it yeah yeah so again 525 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:00,560 one of those things I can't confirm that 526 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:03,410 it was solid wishing desperately sorry 527 00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:05,810 about cuz I would love to us helped you 528 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:08,720 with that it definitely had no red 529 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:11,090 lights on it like some people have seen 530 00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:13,610 and it definitely had no strobe lights 531 00:26:18,580 --> 00:26:16,400 or anything else other than the 532 00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:18,590 configuration the configuration of the 533 00:26:21,490 --> 00:26:19,760 three lights 534 00:26:22,540 --> 00:26:21,500 did it change at all no it mean to 535 00:26:23,620 --> 00:26:22,550 suggest that they were three all 536 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:23,630 separate objects 537 00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:26,210 no it maintained its shape until either 538 00:26:31,150 --> 00:26:28,910 disappeared or the houses over that